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Re: No open class на ЧМ и ЧЕ..
« Reply #75 : Лютий 18, 2011, 13:48:01 »
Цитувати
Что-то я запутался..  и похоже не только я
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Андрюха, ты больше в теме, пока ты писал хоть какие-то комментарии к каждому письму было хоть как-то понятно, а сейчас стало непонятно вообще  ;D
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Re: No open class на ЧМ и ЧЕ..
« Reply #76 : Лютий 18, 2011, 14:30:21 »
А шоб вы и не надеялись! ;D
Шоб мозги заплуталися не только у меня! :apstenu:
Страдайте! ;D dance
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Re: No open class на ЧМ и ЧЕ..
« Reply #77 : Лютий 25, 2011, 01:19:02 »
Понятно, что все решат за нас, но есть еще один маленький момент. Крылья для пилотов не обросших пивными брюшками. Таким как я. Маленькие размеры далеко не всегда сертифицируют. И выбор производителей для нас сокращается в 2 раза.
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Re: No open class на ЧМ и ЧЕ..
« Reply #78 : Лютий 25, 2011, 08:48:48 »
Понятно, что все решат за нас, но есть еще один маленький момент. Крылья для пилотов не обросших пивными брюшками. Таким как я. Маленькие размеры далеко не всегда сертифицируют. И выбор производителей для нас сокращается в 2 раза.

Женя, тебе нужно срочно увеличить потребление пива в 2 раза и выбор сразу расширится. pivasik
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Re: No open class на ЧМ и ЧЕ..
« Reply #79 : Лютий 25, 2011, 13:39:59 »
Женя, тебе нужно срочно увеличить потребление пива в 2 раза и выбор сразу расширится. pivasik
Запасных почек нет.
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Re: No open class на ЧМ и ЧЕ..
« Reply #80 : Лютий 25, 2011, 14:28:29 »
Всегда есть как минимум два выхода  ;D
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Re: No open class на ЧМ и ЧЕ..
« Reply #81 : Лютий 25, 2011, 15:27:59 »
а на вид довольно хрупкая женщина  :) :fly:
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Re: No open class на ЧМ и ЧЕ..
« Reply #82 : Лютий 25, 2011, 16:19:21 »
Всегда есть как минимум два выхода  ;D
Олексина вот таскает 17 кг балласта  :suicide:
Сколько у нас там максимально разрешенный дополнительный вес? У меня все снаряга 20 кг весит. Плюс литров 5 балласта.
P.S. я не сильно переживаю по этому поводу. :)
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Re: No open class на ЧМ и ЧЕ..
« Reply #83 : Лютий 25, 2011, 22:11:15 »
а я переживаю, уж очень неудобно летать с двадцатью кг баласта.
Пиво к потолстению не имеет  отношения.
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Re: No open class на ЧМ и ЧЕ..
« Reply #84 : Лютий 25, 2011, 23:17:53 »
Женька (Калашник), ну ты в этой двадцатке тройке самый толстый, нечего жаловацца clizma
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Re: No open class на ЧМ и ЧЕ..
« Reply #85 : Лютий 26, 2011, 09:04:04 »
Да в этом отношении мои переживания безосновательны
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Re: No open class на ЧМ и ЧЕ..
« Reply #86 : Березень 02, 2011, 09:44:03 »
Сегодня утром получил полуофициальную информацию по поводу решения CIVL.
Полуофициальную, потому что на сайте ФАИ ничего нет и письмо не из ФАИ а от Мартина Шила (кто забыл, главного лоббиста No open class).

ОУПЕН КЛАСС ОСТАВИЛИ! :apstenu:
Но! Есть нюансы. Возложены определённые и обязанности и ограничения на производителей и пилотов.

Мовою оригіналу:
Письмо Мартина Шила.

Dear Manufacturers, Testing Houses and Pilots

I am happy that I can inform you, that our proposals has been widely accepted (almost unanimous).

Furthermore the sub-commission and most delegates voted in favor of the french proposal witch is saying, that we shall continue our work and try in long term to work in direction of an official homologation for competition class gliders. We are very happy with this decision and we will do our best to work in this direction.

You find all information in the attached zip-file. The documents are the same I have send you before and been published for download prior to the plenary meeting.

We, the OCTWG and/or CIVL, will inform immediately when the websites for registration of the glider models (manufacturers) and individual gliders (pilots) are up and running.

This changes are a little step in direction of safer Cat. 1 competitions. But for a well designed competition class we have a lot more work to do. The next big meeting will be latest during the Worlds at Piedrahita.

Manufacturers
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Main change for you is the fact, that competition class gliders has to be finished and tested 60 days prior the start of the competition.

You have to upload following documents before that date to the CIVL website:
- Line sheme with calculations
- Scan of the signed "Competition Class Structural Strength Test Certificate" (confirmation of the testing body and manufacturer)
- A written report/manual specifying how and why the glider would not pass EN926-2 flight tests
- The video of your test flight (not public)

"Old" gliders: The same procedure is required. The CIVL subcommittee, the plenary and the PMA supports the introduction of all requirements for the worlds in Piedrahita.

Testing Houses
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I will contact you in a few days.

Pilots
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On the CIVL website, latest 60 days prior the competition you can see, if your competition class glider-model is registered correctly. The glider itself has to be in your hand latest 30 days prior to the start of the competition. By then you have to:
- register yourself on the website, together with maximum 2 gliders
- sign your glider next to the serial number, on the fabric of the glider (not on the identification plate!) with a ball-pen, make a (good) photo and upload it to the website. This upload will not be possible after the 30-day deadline.

Before the physical registration in Piedrahita you have to enter the "Pilot experience declaration form". You will have to sign a hardcopy during the registration.

If you will get a new glider close before the 30 day deadline it is probably a good idea to register your current glider, that you are familiar with, as a second glider. In case you, or the manufacturer, feel that the new glider is not satisfactory you then have the possibility to use your "old" familiar glider. Naturally this requires that your this glider also meets all the requirements for Open Class gliders. In other words your old glider should also be registered by the manufacturer, and have the necessary structural strength. You may have to double check that you have the correct line set in that case.

Timetable for the Worlds in Piedrahita
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06.05.2011: Deadline for manufacturers registration of gliders
(According 12.1.1.3, Proof of Airworthiness)

05.06.2011: End of pilots accreditation including photo upload with signature and serial number
(According 12.1.1.4, Competition Class Paraglider Pilots)

05.07.2011: First competition day

Additional information about bending test
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During the Plenary Meeting it has been proposed to add the bending test (for suspension-lines) to the requirements. We decided not to amend it because:
1) The proposal was not amended correctly during the Plenary Meeting.
2) There was no time to do it right
3) With the actually used lines in competition we do not need the bending test.
Changes to add a the bending test can be proposed next year as part of the ongoing work of the OCTWG if the group comes to a conclusion after more consideration.


Thanks
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At this place I would like to thank all of you for your contribution and help! Without the great amount of interesting discussions and a lot of positive thinking from all of you it would not have been possible to find this widely accepted proposals.

Special thanks to the members of our working group but also to Luc Armand, Bruce Goldsmith and Torsten Siegel for their work on the line calculations, Nicky Moss for the minutes in Turkey, as well as the CIVL bureau members, especially Louise Joseline who did a great work on the final stage of our proposals.

Best wishes,

Martin

Вложение:

OCTWG-proposal "competition class"
Conclusions made by the working group:
- Dozens of factors play a significant role in the overall safety of a competition
- The most significant factors are the skills and mentality of the pilot himself, and it is here that the greatest potential for the improvement of safety lies.
- We can say that the paraglider itself is not an inherent safety risk, but rather it is the combination of both, the paraglider and the pilot that is of concern.
1. Limiting important international competitions to gliders which pass an existing certification does not seem an appropriate measure to increase safety in paragliding competitions. (see also Doc 1 Homologation Class)
2. Implementing strict regulations on paragliders (such as certification or limitation in construction) would result in a large number of complicated rules, and these in turn, due to the fact that individual gliders would inevitably be ‘tuned’, would lead to administrative problems in both the checking of such gliders, and possible protests.
The OCTWG outlines the proposal below to address not only the subject of a paraglider’s inherent safety, but also the paraglider-pilot combination and how this relates to a pilot’s mental mindset.
1) A ‘competition class’ paraglider must comply with the following requirements:
60 days prior to a Cat 1 Championship:
- The glider (model) has to be notified by the manufacturer to CIVL for listing on the CIVL website
- It must pass the structural strength testing outlined (below, and) in Annex X1 to S7b Ch12, and a certificate issued by the testing house must be provided to CIVL.
- For each size of glider, the manufacturer sends a complete line scheme with sample line sheet with short length line samples with loops at the ends to the testing house.
- The testing house checks the conformity (calculations, line diameters), signs the sample sheets and sends them together with the shock and sustained loading test certificates of the M size of this model to the CIVL.
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- Written report supplied by the manufacturer to CIVL with detailed explanations of why this glider would not pass certification in all flying manoeuvres specified under EN926-2 (public document),
- Video to be made available to CIVL of the manoeuvers specified in 12.1.1.3 (not public)
2) Structural strength requirements:
As specified in EN926-1:
- Shock load test to 800kg (medium size)
- Sustained load test to 800kg (medium size)
In addition:
- Line set breaking strength test using load calculation of the line set of 23G with new, sewn and/or spliced lines
- Individual line breaking strength tests of each line type to 40daN minimum
See Annex X1 to S7b Ch12 for details
3) Pilot-glider-combination:
- 30 days prior to the competition the pilot must prove possession of the glider by submitting a photograph to CIVL showing the pilot signing the glider on the fabric, next to
Open Class Technical Working Group, Martin Scheel, Oktober 2010 1/3
Safety in Paragliding Competitions
the serial number. Two gliders can be registered per pilot.
- The pilot must complete the Pilot Experience Declaration form (Annex X2) outlining his general flying experience and specific experience and skills with this glider. The form must be submitted to the organiser prior to physical registration.
NB. It is proposed that all PG pilots entering a Cat 1 championship complete this form.
Checking
Before registration: Pre-checks of documentation can be made by CIVL Steward and (possibly) CIVL Screening Committee, in conjunction with Organisers.
At registration: Serial numbers of all ‘competition class’ gliders should be checked (by the organisers) against the documentation already provided to the organisers by CIVL, the test house, the pilot and/or the glider manufacturer. Pilot experience forms must have been completed and checked.
In competition: At the goal field after every scored task, one out of the first 3 gliders and one out of the first 10 will be checked, except on the last competition day.
Expert
In order to check compliance with technical rules, OCTWG proposes that a "technical expert" is present during Cat. 1 competitions. This may be a suitably trained/qualified person appointed by the organiser, or a suitably trained/qualified FAI Steward.
Timeline
If the CIVL Plenary votes in favour of these proposals, they will be in force on 1 May 2011 and will first be applied to the FAI World PG Championships in Piedrahita 2011. All uncertified gliders (old and new), and pilots, will be required to comply with these ‘competition class’ rules in order to compete in FAI Category 1 competitions after 1 May 2011.
(NB. This proposal concerns only Cat 1 championships. Organisers of Cat 2 competitions will continue to be able to specify which classes of glider may compete in their events.)
Present at the OCTWG meetings in Abtenau, May 2010:
OCTWG members: Martin Scheel, Gregory Knudson, Didier Mathurin, Harry Buntz
Others present: Luc Armant, Hans Bausenwein, Uwe Bernholz, Thomas Brandlehner, Alberto Castagna, Amon Christian, Randi Erikson, Bruce Goldsmith, Russell Ogden, , Torsten Siegel, Adrian Thomas, Scott Torkelsen, Urban Valic, Wim Verhouve, Michael Von Wachter, Hannes Weininger
Present at the OCTWG meetings in Turkey, September 2010:
OCTWG members: Martin Scheel, Harry Buntz, Didier Mathurin,
Others present: Adrian Thomas, Bruce Goldsmith, Denis Cortella, Gin Seok Song, Christian Biasi, Luciano Gallo, Stephan Stieglair, Thomas Brandlehner, Luc Armant, Goran Dimiskovski, Torsten Siegel, Russ Ogden. Konrad Görg (29th only), Nicky Moss (minutes).
Implication of OCTWG Proposal:
Only EN926-Certified and Competition Class Paragliders will be eligible to fly in FAI Category 1 PG competitions from 1 May 2011.
Definitions: (to be discussed/agreed by PG SC)
EN926-Certified/Homologated Paragliders: gliders that have successfully passed testing to EN926-1 and EN926-2 and been awarded the appropriate certification (EN-A, B, C or D) by an approved Test House.
Competition Class Paragliders: gliders that meet the test criteria outlined in Annex X1 of S7b Ch12.1.
Open Class Technical Working Group, Martin Scheel, Oktober 2010 2/3
Safety in Paragliding Competitions
Open Class: all other uncertified gliders
Prototypes: Open class gliders and EN926-certified gliders that have been modified and/or changed in configuration
Martin Scheel/JA/LJ, 29.11.10, 26.12.2010

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Re: No open class на ЧМ и ЧЕ..
« Reply #87 : Березень 02, 2011, 10:00:06 »
Ышшо.

12 EQUIPMENT SAFETY STANDARDS & DOCUMENTATION
Proposed changes to Chapter 12, associated with OCTWG Proposal for Competition Class
12.1 Paragliders and Associated Equipment
12.1.1 Competing gliders
12.1.1.1 Airworthiness
All gliders and associated equipment shall be of sufficient performance and standard of airworthiness to meet the demands of international championships
12.1.1.2 Classification of Paragliders
Paragliders permitted to fly in FAI Category 1 championships must be either ‘EN926-certified’ or ‘Competition Class’ paragliders. Competition Class paragliders must have been registered on the CIVL website at least 60 days prior to the first competition day of a Category 1 championship.
EN926-Certified/Homologated Paragliders: gliders that have successfully passed testing to EN926-1 and EN926-2 and been awarded the appropriate certification (EN-A, B, C or D) by an approved Test House.
Competition Class Paragliders: gliders registered on the CIVL website, which will have a certificate demonstrating compliance with the test criteria outlined in Annex X1 of S7b Ch12.1.
Open Class: all other uncertified gliders
Prototypes: gliders of any of the above classes that have been modified and/or changed in configuration
12.1.1.3
Proof of Airworthiness
EN926-Certified Paragliders: Demonstrated by a paraglider certification/homologation certificate from a CIVL-recognised test organization, incorporated into the glider. A certified glider that has been modified or changed in its configuration in comparison with the tested model is considered as a prototype. Pilots will be required to sign the Certified Glider Certificate provided as an Annex to the Sample Local Regulations. The organisers have the right to refuse any glider not of acceptable standard or configuration.
Competition Class Paragliders:
Each glider must have a serial number for identification and the following documents must be made available 60 days before the first competition day of the Category 1 championship at which it will be flown. In exceptional circumstances, this deadline may be varied, and shall be stated in the Local Regulations.
a) A test certificate (sample in Annex X1) from a CIVL-recognised test organisation showing the glider has passed the structural strength requirements specified in Annex X1, plus a complete line scheme with line sample sheets, signed by the test house, must be lodged with CIVL.
b) A written report/manual specifying how and why the glider would not pass EN926-2 flight tests, must be lodged with CIVL.
c) A video (not to be made public without the manufacturer’s permission) is to be produced and made available to CIVL. It is recommended that the following manoeuvres be demonstrated. The reaction of the glider must be within EN-D-norm, but pilot input is allowed.
- Steeply banked turn (spiral dive).
- Symmetric front collapse.
- Exiting deep stall (parachutal stall).
- Recovery from a developed full stall.
- Asymmetric collapse (not like EN-D: Only 50% of the trailing edge / 45°)
- Change of course after collapse.
- Quick height descent possibility in straight flight.
See 12.1.1.4 for rules on Pilot eligibility to fly Competition Class paragliders.
12.1.1.4 Competition Class Paraglider Pilots:
Each pilot intending to fly a Competition Class glider must prove possession of the glider by sending a photograph of his signature on the fabric next to the serial number, which must be clearly visible. Up to two gliders can be registered per pilot. Photographs must be lodged with CIVL, at least 30 days before the start of the competition. In exceptional circumstances, the organiser may give permission to allow the pilot an extension of this deadline.
12.1.1.5 Pilot experience declaration
All competing pilots (irrespective of their glider class) must complete the Pilot Experience Declaration form (Annex X2) outlining their general flying experience and specific experience and skills with their current glider. The form should be submitted online to the organiser prior to signing it at physical registration.
12.1.2
Modifications to a glider
A glider shall fly throughout the championships as a single structural entity using the same standard of components used on the first day. Small changes shall be possible prior and during the competition, providing they do not cause any reduction of the structural strength of the glider and they are made in accordance with the manufacturer’s recommendations. Concessions to this rule are made to cover the case of essential repairs (see 12.1.3. Damage to a glider).
12.1.3
Damage to a competing glider
Any major damage shall be reported to the organisers without delay and the glider may then be repaired. Any replacement parts must conform exactly to the original specifications. If permission is given by the Director to replace the glider temporarily or permanently for reasons of damage or loss or theft beyond the control of the pilot, it may be replaced by an identical make and model, or one of similar or lower performance.
12.1.4
Acceptance check.
All paragliders must be made available to the organisers during the period of registration, for an acceptance check, in the configuration in which they will be flown. After the opening of the launch window on the first scheduled competition day no changes of paraglider may be made except in the case of damage (see 12.1.3.).
12.1.5
Airworthiness Checks.
At any time during the championships the organisers and FAI officials have the right to inspect any competing glider and, if necessary, ground it for safety reasons. They may also apply any other penalties listed in these rules and the Local Regulations for non-compliance with class or airworthiness standards.
12.1.6
Check Procedures for Competition Class gliders
For Competition Class gliders:
Pre-checks of completeness and validity of documentation delivered by the 60 and 30 day deadlines may be made by CIVL Steward and CIVL Screening Committee, in conjunction with the Organisers.
At registration: Serial numbers should be checked (by the organisers) against the documentation already provided to the organisers by CIVL, the test house, the pilot and/or the glider manufacturer. Line diameter check comparisons can be made against the sample line sheet.
In competition: After every scored task, one out of the first 3 and one out of the first 10 of any class will be randomly checked: serial number and line diameters as a minimum), except on the last competition day. Where possible, checks will be made at the goalfield, but on request, a pilot should, with the minimum possible delay, deliver his glider to the HQ for checking.
12.2
Paraglider Line Strength Certificate
Suggest: Delete from here and replace with new certificate for ‘competition class’ gliders, as a downloadable Annex X1 that can be completed by Test Houses
12.3
Other equipment
(Now becomes 12.2)
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« Reply #88 : Березень 02, 2011, 10:04:07 »
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(Proposed) Annex X1 to S7b Chapter 12
Structural strength of the paraglider model
This document outlines the testing required to be undertaken for an uncertified (non-homologated) PG to be entered in FAI Category 1 Championships, making it ‘competition class’. The structural strength of uncertified gliders will be confirmed by requiring them to pass the following 4 tests:
According to EN926-1:
1) Shock load test to 800kg
2) Sustained load test to 800kg
Plus:
3) Line set strength test using load calculation of the line sets of 23G with new, sewn and/or spliced lines
4) Individual line strength tests of all lines to 40daN minimum
Shock & Sustained Load tests
Physical shock load and sustained load tests shall be undertaken for each different type or model of glider required to be entered as a ‘competition class’ glider. The Medium size of each model shall be load tested using the standard procedures specified by EN 926-1. (The Medium size (100kg take off weight, roughly) is the size that is most used in competitions.)
Line tests
The load calculation for testing the breaking strength of the line sets shall be applied to each size of the glider, at the maximum flying weight of that glider size.
The line breaking strengths for the load calculation will be based on the tests of an independent testing laboratory. The paraglider manufacturer will provide samples of the lines to the testing laboratory with the sewn and/or spliced terminations.
The testing laboratory shall test at least 3 samples of each type of line and will take the average load achieved from those 3 samples.
The load calculation shall be based on a load of 23 x the max flying weight of the glider. This factor is to be applied to the lower lines of the glider. At each level, above every cascade of lines, the calculated total strength has to be the same (within 5%) or stronger than the level below it. If one level is weaker (max. 5%), the next level refers to the stronger one below. It is permitted only to increase the strength of the lines compared to the shock and sustained load tests in order to satisfy the line load calculation.
The manufacturer will decide the load distribution between the different lines according to his own calculation. The line load calculation will be applied to all load bearing lines of the glider. This includes the stabilo, but not the brake lines. The manufacturer provides a line scheme with calculations.
Documentation/Certification
The Test House must complete and sign a ‘Competition Class’ Test Certificate (below) and supply copies to the Manufacturer. The Manufacturer must sign the declaration and forward the document to CIVL to register the glider, 60 days before the start of the FAI Cat 1 Championship.
After checking conformity, the complete line scheme for each model tested, with line sample sheets (with loops) should be signed and dated and sent to the CIVL. Test Houses may retain their own line sheets for reference which may be requested later by CIVL officials or FAI Category 1 Championship organisers. Open Class Technical Working Group, Martin Scheel, Oktober 2010

Example of possible line sheme with calculation for one cascade:

Lower  line  A1                                                       
                                                      horizontal  total 
Lower  line  ref     8000U‐360           
braking  strength     360          360 
total  strength  of  line  attached  to     390           
                  
Lower  Medium  Line  ref     8000U‐160                              8000U‐230      
braking  strength     160     230     390 
total  strength  of  line  attached  to     180     260      
                                  
Upper  medium  line  ref     8000U‐90     8000U‐90   none      
braking  strength     90     90         180 
total  strength  of  line  attached  to     100     100          
                                  
Upper  line  ref     8000U‐50     8000U‐50   8000U‐50   8000U‐50   8000U‐130     8000U‐130    
braking  strength     50     50   50   50   130     130   460 


(Табличка перенеслась не совсем корректно. Кому будет интересно, шлите e-mail. я переправлю письмо целиком) ;)
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Re: No open class на ЧМ и ЧЕ..
« Reply #89 : Березень 02, 2011, 10:05:04 »
Open Class Safety in FAI Category 1 PG Competitions
(Proposed) Annex X2 to Section 7b Sample Local Regulations
Pilot Experience Declaration
All Pilots competing in an FAI Category 1 PG XC Championship are required to complete this form, regardless of class of paraglider to be flown. Completed forms must be sent to the Organiser and details will be confirmed by signature at physical registration.
This information is not intended to be used as part of a qualification or selection process. Its purpose is to make pilots aware of their skill levels (or lack thereof). This data will not be made public, but may be used in case of incidents.
Pilot Name: ………………………………. Team (Nation): ……………………..
Championship:
Flight experience on Paragliders
1.
Approximate total flight time in hours: < 200 [ ] 200-500 [ ] 500-1000 [ ] 1000-3000 [ ] > 3000 [ ]
2.
Approximate thermal flight time during the last 12 months <20 [ ] 20-50 [ ] 50-100 [ ] 100-200 [ ] >200 [ ]
3.
How many competition tasks have you flown in last 5 years <10 [ ] 10-20 [ ] 20-50 [ ] 50-100 [ ] >100 [ ]
4.
What has been your best WPRS ranking?
5.
What is your current WPRS ranking?
6.
How familiar are you with the following manoeuvres or incidents:
N=never O=once/occasionally S=several times M=many times
(NB It is strongly recommended that manoeuvres are practiced above water and in a safe or supervised conditions (boat, life vest etc).
o
Search for the spin point [ ]
o
Frontal collapse [ ]
o
Asymmetric collapse [ ]
o
Parachutal stall [ ]
o
Full Stall [ ]
o
Fast descent (> 6 m/s ) [ ]
o
Other (please specifiy)
7.
What class of PG are you planning to fly in this competition?
EN 926-Certified Glider [ ] Competition Class glider [ ]
8.
Flight time in hours with this paraglider <10 [ ] 10-20 [ ] 20-50 [ ] 50-100 [ ] >100 [ ]
Pilots intending to fly Competition Class glider only:
9.
Approximate flight time with uncertified paragliders
< 200 [ ] 200-500 [ ] 500-1000 [ ] 1000-3000 [ ] > 3000 [ ]
10.
Model and Serial-Nr of the Competition Class paraglider: ……………..
11.
Date you received this Competition Class paraglider …………. (should be at least 30 days prior to the start of the competition)
Date submitted online to organisers:
At physical registration:
Signed: Date: Open Class Technical Working Group, Martin Scheel, Oktober 2010
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